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June 23, 2008

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tim agazio

Carol,

Thanks for the great comment. I agree...sometimes we find things we sometimes wished we didn't know, but I find those juicy little tidbits interesting and they actually show our ancestors as 3 dimensional humans rather than people we just see in documents.

Thanks again for your comment!

Tim

Carol Hutchison

What you might find out about your family can be a little scary. I found a news article about the grandfather and grandmother I never knew. They both died a few years before I was born. The article told of my grandfather beating my grandmother on Christmas eve. His WWI draft registration says he had a bullet wound in his right leg. A later article had him pleading for his wife and family to return to him. It appears that the family did reconcile, but they changed their surname from Beese to Haugens. I guess this was their way of avoiding scandal. This very rocky situation when my mother was only five years old explains a lot about her later behavior. I'm wondering if manic depression runs in my family. Many people who suffer from this condition try to self-treat with alcohol. My mother put up with a lot from her third husband. Was this a learned behavior?

Tim Agazio

Kim,

A flasher?? Now that sounds more in line with what my grandfather might have been capable of. That's an interesting thought about what the term "indecent liberties" was used for. It was a different time, but it really does make sense when you put it into a 1950s context.

I really appreciate your effort to research this for me! Thanks for your comment and for visiting!

Tim

Tim Agazio

David,

A pimp...wouldn't that be interesting? I have looked for news articles, but no luck as of yet. According to the prison record he was convicted in the City and County of Denver...Next time I' in Denver I'm planning on visiting the library to search the two Denver newspapers.

I appreciate your advice and comment!

Tim

Tim Agazio

Mimi, it is interesting to know the rest of the story. Actually I never knew this guy...didn't even know he existed until my mother went to his funeral in 1964.

Thanks for your comment and for visiting!

Tim

Kim

I asked a law librarian friend of mine to flesh this out a bit with me. From what we can tell - not being lawyers, but curious - "indecent liberties" referred to any sexual act attempted with a person other than a spouse (apparently, once you were married you could take all the indecent liberties you wanted). It was used to "soften" sexually explicit language that might offend the general public and those women that filled the many clerical positions within the legal system circa 1950. There is some indication that "indecent liberties" could also refer to any behavior that had sexual connotations that was witnessed by a minor - such as exposing private parts.
That's the best we could do! Hope that helps.

Kim

David T. Robertson - Professional Genealogist - APG

There are two crimes I can think of that would have resulted in "attempting to take indecent liberties. " The first would be prostitution. But if he was a "john" eight years would have been a harsh sentence. Serving one year of a two year sentence would be possible. The second would be pandering for prostitution. This would be an appropriate sentence for a pimp.

Now that you know the date search newspapers for news on the trial. Remember to go back several months as trials take a long time. Your grandfather doesn't appear to be Jesse James so look for small news stories.

mimi

wow, what a story; and complete with pictures. Considering what life was like for bar girls back then he really must have done something sexually inappropriate for him to end up in jail over it.
Sorry that you found your grandpa that way; but in a sense, it's really interesting to know "the rest" of the story

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